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how 1/12 of the population will inexplicably “meet the woman of your dreams” the same day. If a horoscope is general enough to be true for all people, can you call what it says fake? This is true of good opportunities as well. Just try to consider this: astrology is a hoax. It states, “If the underlying theory of Astrology is true, that the position of the stars impacts, foretells or in any way determines … Thanks. Astrology is not predictive, that's certainly true, but if two astrologists who look at the star charts (or whatever they look at) arrive at the same conclusion, or at least do so within reasonable error margins, I'd say it's not "fake", in the sense that there's an actual theory to it. But surely people do not do that "because is fun" since in the end, the main result of all that study is taking life decisions knowing those extra informations you acquired from astrology. So a kid born in January, will be in the same class as a kid born in December. And I'd expect NASA or astrophysicists who literally spend their whole life looking at planets to also find some theories that could potentially give a small degree of validity to astrologists, a thing that is yet to happen. It’s a crafted lie designed to fool us. I have, multiple times. "The stigma attached to astrology—while it still exists—had receded as the practice has grabbed a foothold in online culture, especially for young people," the author summarizes. Edit: I may sound a bit upset, but it is not my intention. You have to try it yourself and really give yourself to the process. It’s closer to a religion, in my opinnion. Hope that helps! See the wiki page for more information. Does not change much the intention of the idea. I won’t tell you my sun sign. It's like Confucianism: it's not a religion, but it seems to explain human nature very well. This is not at all what astrology claims. It makes some sense that what month you're born is going to have some impact on your social development and consequently your personality. Might be, some astrologists may be using this kind of information without even realizing but seems quite unlikely for me now. If people really don't feel like their personality fits their sign, they can get a fancy natal chart done that will tell them that even though their sign in Taurus, the position of Jupiter or whatever counteracts their Taurus traits and makes them a true Scorpio. Firstly, please remember to read through our rules. Definitely enlarged my views. The attraction of astrology is that it's an elaborate personality test that encourages a lot of self-reflective navel-gazing, which some people enjoy and find beneficial. Everyone has a different birth chart, based on the position of the stars and heavenly bodies at the time and place they were born. We additionally tend to peruse every day horoscopes and different forecasts. In fact, it is the combination of the 2 Greek words: astro, which means star and logos, which means study. If you would like to appeal, please [message the moderators by clicking this link.](http://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%2Fr%2Fchangemyview&subject=Removed+Comment+Rule+1+Post+Appeal&message=Mostly-Ponies+would+like+to+appeal+the+removal+of+his/her+post. Feel free to message us. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. I’m an Aquarius Sun in western astrology so I MUST be quirky and aloof right? There are things that are different based on when you were born. Where astrology has made falsifiable predictions, it has been falsified. It makes no sense today. I am refering to the daily horoscope seen in morning tv shows, newspapers, websites, social media, etc. If you are thinking about submitting a CMV yourself, please have a look through our popular topics wiki first. It is written with the intent for people to buy into the idea of a fate being written out all because you were born on a certain date. I think there is nothing that could potentially be true in astrology. Does that make all bald men gay? They couldn't identify a single one of the zodiac constellations in the actual night sky. But if you are willing to open your heart and mind there is a lot that you can benefit from. I felt like there was no one there and no true answers to cure my pain and Dawn Anne showed up for ME. Are you a psychic? Some people will jump at the chance to do something new, while others will hang back or even ignore certain possibilities. An Aries who actually is daring and competitive might acknowledge that they come off as rude or attention-seeking to others. This is not science, of course, but it's outside of what science can explain. No. And I think it a truth universally acknowledged: that if Harry Reid, John Podesta, Bill Richardson, Bill Cohen and Bill Clinton all believe something real and true, the rest of us should too. If anything this is more a brainwash method. Maybe change it and consider that is 80% bullshit with some 20% worth giving credit for. Belief in astrology gives people a sense of order and control over the chaotic universe. Western astrology can trace its origins back to the Babylonians. The people who write that nonsense basically overshoot and try to layout multiple guesses for gullible people to believe. I also hate it when people ask my sign and when I tell them usually (specially women) put this face like “oh I figured!” And they frame me into a stupid stereotype. Thats huge for 5-6 year olds. I think you’re thinking more of sun sign astrology vs astrology based on your full chart. Press J to jump to the feed. "Direct responses to a CMV post must challenge at least one aspect of OP’s current view (however minor), unless they are asking a clarifying question. But is there any science to back up whether astrology impacts our personality and our lives? There is no rational way to explain how 1/12 of the population will inexplicably “meet the woman of your dreams” the same day. I don't know enough about astrology to actually say it's not fake, but I think you're asking the wrong question. If my behavior reflects expectations of me based on my sign, then astrology is sort of true, by virtue of me believing in it and then making it true. 99% of astrology fans don't know if Mercury is in retrograde or what that even means. Think of it like going to a magic show. I want to challenge this specific statement: On the contrary, it makes sense within the context of the Medieval worldview that it originated from. This point of view actually allows me to look at astrology much more forgiving. Maybe a person might post-pone the purchase of a house with 4 months because the planets are aligned more favourably for big decisions. That shows up on different sites, daily papers, and magazines. I don't think we'd be seeing such huge patterns and seeing the predictions come true if it was just rubbish. Astrology books that promise to give relationship tips for Capricorns and Libras (or whatever) are actually just full of basic good communication advice that will probably smooth a relationship between any two people. Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. You tell someone they're an Aries, and that Aries means they have traits X, Y, and Z... they'll believe it and consequently actually develop those traits. It very obviously has all of jack shit to do with the position of the stars and planets. Think of it this way, when kids enter a social construct, lets say school, each class will have all the kids that were born in the same calendar year. However I know there are people (smart people that is) who study these kind of things and I would love to get my view changed on this one. Nearly everybody has caught wind of Astrology and numerous individuals comprehend what are Sun Signs. Not necessarily. But it's at least conceivable that our ancestors - super adept pattern recognizers that they are - did notice that people born in January seemed to have some things in common and people born in June had different things in common, and the stars in January are one way and the stars in June are another way, and thus came up with Astrology. This sect of astrology can be used to further understand how you feel without the effect of any outside influences, like your personality. There's only two ways I can think of in which it's not 100% bullshit; more like 99% bullshit. Astrology had its heyday in the Mediterranean in the Hellenistic period, an era that took place between the 3rd century BC and the 1st century CE. Astrology (e.g., horoscope) tends to give general advice that is pretty much true for all people. Maybe an empath or empathic? Now you and I may not feel the need to have this belief, but that doesn't make the psychological effect of these boots bullshit. Also stuff like: “you’ll receive a great business opportunity”, “someone will ask you for advice” stuff like that. So that kid who was born in January, will probably be more developed physically than the December kid. They will be almost a year apart! People rarely kill each other over their astrological sign. The Astrology Podcast - Chris Brennan's weekly astrology podcast is a great resource with over 100 episodes, many of which feature interviews and discussions from professionals in the field. Here's the short Answer: No. Disease is dis - ease. Previously I struggled in settling for POOR astrologers who had no merit or well intentions, yet now my life is far clearer because of my dearest Dawn. Hello, users of CMV! Astrology is a science that consists of a number of belief systems that hold that there is a relationship between astronomical phenomena and events … Don't expect that astrology is going to be absolutely, 100% accurate all the time. If I’m told as a kid that my astrological sign means I’m likely to have certain personality characteristics, and I believe it, then I might lean hard into those facets of my personality out of a false sense of destiny as I grow up. Hope that makes sense. It exists since 25,000 years ago, or probably before then. You will feel much better if you get your work done first and then socialize. That is a good point man. So you have a point. It is clear that this force cannot be anything already established, like gravity or light, so it must be something else. FACT: The word astrology is from the Greek word ‘astrologia‘. Each house has a different meaning and effect, each sign has a different meaning and effect, each planet has a different meaning and effect. Astrology can be defined as the study of the relative positions and movements of celestial objects as a means for understanding and predicting human affairs and terrestrial events. Gift Guides. This is just common sense good advice. Edit #2: some people have suggested to say “false” instead of “fake”. How did he knew! You can come up with many more theories regarding the time of year a person was born and how it effects his school life and therefore development as a person. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. But is there any truth inside it? But people will ask, Is Astrology Really True? I think people take it for granted that astrology is a fact, and never stop to think about it. Let’s get down to business. Astrology is a tool more accurately used for learning more about yourself, and letting you know what is happening in your present than fortune telling. When I was born, my uncle hand-calculated my natal chart. Religion, on the other hand, is nearly always held as truth, at least to that person. First, astrology came from vast, in depth knowledge of astronomy. No, indeed. 99% of astrology fans don't know if Mercury is in retrograde or what that even means. I know is bogus, but I want to see the parts that actually make sense and how that 100% gets to be 80% or 60% or 50% or so. i.e. Of course, that doesn't mean astrology is by any means something real but can be seen like a framework of giving good advices and improving the life of others. The Zodiac is based on planets not necessarily because the planets themselves have an influence, but because the movement of the planets across the sky as Earth orbits the sun is a useful way of measuring the passing of time. I could not understand it, it was beyond my comprehension, but it was valuable to my belief system and I was forever changed. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Edit 2: I'll come tomorrow morning with some updates on the comments I feel need some additional info added and respond to new ones, if that would be the case. Vedic astrology comes from the Vedas which contain the oldest Hindu scriptures. I myself have had my chart read many times and it's too accurate to be coincidence. On our previous blog post, we touched on the importance of a good astrologer and narrowing the purpose of Astrology. This probably contributed to why I became a nerd and geek; which coincidentally lines up pretty well with my sign, a Libra. my moon sits in 21.39 degrees Virgo in the 6th house, so the way my moon effects me is gonna be completely different to someone who has their moon in Leo in the 7th house, or even someone who has moon in Virgo in the 2nd house. Your rising sign/1st house is determined by the exact couple hours you were born in on that day/in that sun cycle. What I am more hoping is that in my small research I omitted some kind of "possibility" that there are some effects from astral objects. And furthermore, the belief in astrology is far more innocuous. Astrology is based on Plato's theory of Forms, which says that everything that exists has an archetype. Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. I always lagged behind them in terms of dropping kid things in favor of more mature things, so I was a bit of an outcast. The real world is full of arbitrary cutoff dates, where you'll be grouped with people as much as 364 days older or younger than you. It fails to predict outcomes and describe personality traits and behavior accurately enough to be considered significant or useful. There is even gonna be a (more subtle) difference in the way of thinking and effect from a moon at 2 degrees Virgo in the 6th house vs 21.39 degrees. The attraction of astrology is that it's an elaborate personality test that encourages a lot of self-reflective navel-gazing, which some people enjoy and find beneficial. Edit: Sorry for delay I was at a German course and was unable to use my phone during that time. People said the same about all kind of topics in the past that are now common knowledge. If you assume that the planets are the archetypes for the people who are born under their respective signs, then it's sensible to try to predict what will happen in people's lives by studying the planets. These pop culture horoscopes most people use is based on purely your sun sign and not nearly enough to determine personality traits or really almost anything future related. then you're not going to get anything from it. First of all, this should be a … Secondly... we divide our calendar into years, but in the first ~10 years of life months make a big difference. So in a general sense it might be true that there are personality traits clustered in people born in particular months, just because so many people have been told there are and they believe it about themselves. Historical evidence shows that astrology has been regularly used for the last four thousand years, and remains very popular today. Draconic astrology is an ancient practice that is meant to give further insight into your soul. Find more subreddits like r/astrology -- A collection of links to articles on astrology, as well as discussions about astrological topics. Really insightful and matches very well with my findings until now. I like especially the insight on the link between real psychological traits and how astrology deals with it. Astrology, is the original science, passed down by ancient seers thousands of years ago on Vedic, being the first cosmologies through the movements, placements of the Universe. For example, Astrology can be "true" because it gives advice that is common for most people, yet appears oddly specifc on a first glance. Really enjoying the discussions! For instance, the "typical" positive Aries traits are courage, daring and competitiveness, while the negative traits are self-centeredness, anger and pushiness. Astrology used to be used by farmers to know when their crops were going to come in because at particular times in the year, they can look up into the sky, see the constellation, and know whether it's time to plant, harvest etc. Hope this helped! This is like fortune telling, ofc its fake, but its fun... No reason to get upset. For every generic daily message awaiting you, there is a bored person writing for Horoscopes.com that has no credibility. But astrology can have truth via self-fulfillment. Therefore I actually has spend some time to talk with people that practice astrology and also read about the theory and find what are their claims. The first is that it's somewhat self fulfilling prophecy. A Christian website absolutetruth.net states that Astrology is strongly condemned by the Bible as tantamount to witchcraft and occultism. Happy CMVing! How you see it ? Many cultures have developed astrology systems, but the Western, Indian and … So yeah, you have to let go of toxic nonbelief in order for you to learn new things. Astrology is the study of the correlation between celestial movements and earthly events, and r/astrology is a community for sharing news and information about astrological topics. Arguments in favor of the view OP is willing to change must be restricted to replies to comments." There are non-sense theories of all kinds out there. Yes, sun sign horoscopes are a complete and total sham, as using astrology to try and predict the future often is, but astrology as a whole is far more complex than a sun sign and if you look deeper into the picture, you might just find there’s a lot more “coincidences” than you think. That means, I don't need to change my view to an opposite direction but I want to change my view and give credit to astrology where it deserves it. The guy said, "hey you can't get any more tea in there stop!" Horoscopes • Spirit • Wellness. However, assigning traits to birth months can have some merit. It's really not that different from the MBTI personality test, which is extremely popular among "rational" people even though it's junk science. However, even if I read quite a lot about it I still fail to see something tangible. We'd just like to remind you of a couple of things. Anyway, regarding your link between period of birth and astrology there could be some truth around it although if anything, it makes it even less reliable. Before saying a confident "no" on certain topics I like to give them as much credibility as possible. Astrology formed a large part of the existence for Greeks, Egyptians, and Babylonians. Before creating this topic I could only say "maybe placeboo" but nothing else. Because astrology is not structured as a religion, but a system of universal function. One might think that astrology really is less harmful than the other things I listed. It is just smoke and mirrors. So people can feel like they're getting real benefit from astrology. Yes, except I do care about finding out what the source is. They kept careful records of astronomical phe… But it might be bullshit that once upon a time was based on a somewhat valid observation. Vedic astrology is also known as Hindu astrology and originated in ancient India. You have to have a stronger belief that something is right with what you are studying. For astrology to be valid and true, there must be some force which establishes a connection between people and various bodies in space. However I think you have to be careful with saying that it is 100% bullshit. There's a blending that happens in astrology that involves those three. Astrology and horoscopes makes no sense. Furthermore, since this is a typical between the face that In 2018, astrology became a meme, The Atlantic reports. Don't take any offence please, but if a person is instructed to leave any preconceptions or ideas behind and just accept new ones, that is called brainwash. Astrology is not a science, but there's a real, fascinating history behind humans attaching meaning to the stars. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There are three parts to any birth chart — planet, sign, and house. Twins born one minute apart have distinct charts. They couldn't identify a single one of the zodiac constellations in the actual night sky. But they will be taught the same material so seeing as they cant compete physically, December kids will focus more on studies. You can know it's fake, and still enjoy for the feeling you get when it's coincidentally right. And things like "you are more likely to develop some kind of disease" come only after an analysis. They taught the Greeks astrology around the 4th century B.C. So astrology is real but its modern-day application is bullshit. In that, you can already see that rising sign would be more important to the specifics of you as a person than your sun, which changes roughly every 30 days. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. As far as I am concerned a good astrologist working with these concepts can actually be quite close to a therapist. None whatsoever. At this point, astrology became regarded as a type of science. Seems more like a coincidence. Here's what to know. There are also many parts on astrology that don't rely directly on this link.   Obviously, not every person born in the month of April has these as their dominant traits... but pretty much everyone has these traits present to some extent, so they'll reflect on this crude psychological assessment. I do agree that some are general enough to be true for most people, like “you’ll get good news from a friend” thats very possible. Simply put. Any questions or concerns? I think this is the most accurate explanation for this. As for astrology, well, these same sorts of folks are all over that, too. I personally hate astrology, but I have a couple of friends/acquaintances/family members who are into it and from what I can tell, the attraction of astrology isn't that it can predict the future. Plus, theres no scientific evidence that support it. Some people say they don't know (or care) how astrology is true, but they frequently observe the results as true. Thank you. I don’t think having a theory makes it real. A big factor of supernatural beliefs is the psychological effect they have on believers. The ancients looked to the sky for clues about why things happened in the material world around them. I'd argue that you've never seen a horoscope that says 'you'll meet the love of your life today' and that most horoscopes describe people's days. That plan will produce the best results.". That 100% I wanted to be changed. Is astrology real? For example, your risk of mental illness is higher if you were born in spring because your mother was more likely to get a cold or the flu during your second trimester when your brain was doing a lot of crucial development. Nothing really "false" here. These ancient astrologers based their interpretations on centuries of observations recorded by the Mesopotamians who came before them. So yeah it's bullshit. ... the largest psychic community forum on Reddit, for those interested in extrasensory perception (ESP). It is statistically innacurate to describe people’s traits based on their birth date and time. Something about astrology is too tantalizing for people to pass up: it’s “in”, it’s perceived as harmless, and it’s fun whether or not it’s true. Horoscope Stories, True Astrology Predictions Reddit. Plus when it comes to astrology, its true significance is embedded in what it symbolizes to each individual. This wiki page links to a whole bunch of studies on things that are affected by your season of birth. My complain about those general ones is the true intentions of the people who write them. You, there is a fact, it is the combination of the population will inexplicably meet. Change must be quirky and aloof right as possible you started to the! 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